In this episode of Running With the Bulls, Matt sits down with Terrance Ruth of Mission Triangle to talk about the experiences that shaped his approach to education, leadership, and community work. From working with students in alternative education to teaching at NC State, Terrance shares how getting closer to the people behind the data changed the way he thinks about learning, opportunity, and leadership.

Terrance’s work with Mission Triangle opens up a broader discussion about what it really takes to build a healthy nonprofit. They examine moving beyond outputs to measure real outcomes, developing stronger nonprofit leaders, and why collaboration is becoming increasingly important for organizations trying to solve complex community problems.

Matt and Terrance also explore innovation, technology, and AI, along with the need to create environments where new ideas can actually take hold. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about challenging assumptions, building stronger organizations, and finding better ways to create lasting impact in the community.